Pain Doctor Causes More Pain

Well…not physical pain…more like stress and frustration. Yep, that was my experience today at my first-ever physiatrist (pain management doctor) appointment. November 1st marked the day one of my Medicare coverage/Medicare Advantage Plan, and so for the first time in a couple of years, I have been able to start going to the doctors again – including specialists like physiatrists! So much for great expectations; it is sometimes hard to maintain realistic goals when looking for an end to pain, and I suppose I put a bunch of my hopes into this appointment and that is what failed me in the end. On the other hand, keeping hope is something we all know is very important, since this is what pulls us through the rough patches, big and small.

Quick note: I owe you all updates on the Banjo, among other things, and I have been slacking on returning emails as of late – I have been dealing with too much pain to put a lot of focus into these the last couple of months. I hope you all accept my apologies and know that I will be updating as I am able.

I spent hours last night prepping for today’s appointment with “Dr. Pain.” I went into this excited, but I wasn’t looking for a miracle. Really, I was looking for an improvement in my daily life, even something small, since I wonder at times how much more pain I can take. I gathered up a pile of medical records, ran to Kinko’s even though I was hurting terribly last night, and made copies of everything I thought would be pertinent to my pain management plan. I then scoured through the pages of notes from the EDNF conference and typed up all sorts of tips and treatments I had learned about, including notes and credentials on each of the wonderful people that spoke and key points from their lectures. I highlighted random sections to reference while talking to the Pain Doc. Lastly, I included a few pamphlets on EDS from EDNF. I wanted to be ready for any questions he might have, and since this pain clinic offers many forms of treatment, I wanted to be sure to research all of them beforehand so I had an idea of the things we might discuss. The notes were mostly for myself, but they were important points to talk about with Dr. Pain, and also what I thought would be important notes for him to have.

When I arrived at the pain clinic today, I was greeted with a smile by the receptionist, filled out a form with Xs and Os and triangles marking where my current pain was, and joined the rest of the patients in the waiting room. An hour later, I was finally led back to my room by the nurse, who coincidentally shared my name and commented that I didn’t have the worst medical history she had ever seen, but I certainly did not have the best. She comforted me with her smile though, and I was still amped  to meet the doctor.

A short while later, Dr. Pain entered the room. He seemed nice, gave me a hand-shake and mentioned how “great” I looked. He quickly looked over my chart and noted how young I was and then “got down to business.”

The next words out of his mouth, “Ehlers-Danlos shouldn’t cause pain.”

Well, yes, he technically is right. According to Dr. Francomano, “EDS predisposes [a person] to certain kinds of pain, but DOES NOT cause pain itself.” However; the former part of the sentence certainly holds true…and PAIN is involved. Of course, Dr. Pain probably isn’t really familiar with EDS, and so I kindly tried to explain to him what I have learned about EDS, what I personally deal with, and why my doctors have sent me to a pain management clinic. I handed him some pamphlets and told him I was really glad to be in his clinic and how I was hoping he might be able to help me out with the pain I live with.

The three important words from that first encounter: “tried to explain.”

Dr. Pain wanted nothing to do with my explanations, my personal struggles, my life with Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome. Dr. Pain grabbed the EDNF pamphet, browsed it for a split second, then tossed it on the table. He wouldn’t take any other pamphlet/papers. He wouldn’t look at any of my notes or highlighted questions, even though I asked him to. He grabbed a chair across the room, sat without making eye contact and told me that he didn’t think there was much he could do for me.

He asked me why I didn’t complete college, and didn’t acknowledge my response. He then, very condescendingly commented on the fact that I have been on disability for a while then alluded to the fact that didn’t think I should be on it. (All of this, while he doesn’t have any idea what my life is like on a daily basis, no idea about POTS or what it is, and no concept of the problems I have physically.) He asked why I was told I have bipolar disorder and then commented that I “seem fine.” It was almost as if he didn’t believe me when I talked about my bipolar disorder and PTSD, then he just got quiet at the mere mention of childhood abuse. He then profusely apologized for said abuse, but continued to question why I wasn’t “acting like I had bipolar disorder.” When I explained that I have been in treatment for an entire year this go-round , and that I am happily stable on my medication (trust me, there have been times where I have been very unstable) and therefor more ready than ever to start working on the physical side of things, he brushed it off like I hadn’t even spoken a word. He then told me that I must stay in psychiatric treatment. (What?! I told him I was happily in treatment – wasn’t he just the one questioning my bipolar disorder in the first place?)

While remaining cordial through the whole visit, Dr. Pain was almost ambivalent toward my pain and symptoms. One minute he was mentioning the medicine he wants me try, the next he was telling me that he is concerned I will become addicted to pain meds and that he doesn’t like the idea of putting me on narcotics (though I am already currently taking them), and that my bipolar disorder makes it more likely. I mentioned to him that EDS patients often struggle with this, but treating the pain is important and my psychiatrist even has agreed that I have more depression due to the pain. Crying every night from back pain definitely has an effect on my mood. I also attempted to tell him that I don’t like taking narcotics, or drugs of any kind, and am trying alternative treatments too, but I really don’t know what to do because I hurt so badly. If we found something less potent, I am certainly open to anything. I didn’t come to the pain clinic for drugs. I came to ask about drugs, trigger point therapy, prolotherapy, needling, etc. Of course, I couldn’t get a word in edgewise about any of this.

The next words he utters are about the fact that I look great, got dressed this morning and did my hair and must not be in much pain (quite the contrary!), and then tells me he is putting me on Fentanyl patches and wants me back for trigger point injections, and for break-through pain from things like subluxations and dislocations I am to take an inbuprofen (Really? An ibuprofen??). First, every patient in the waiting room got up, got dressed, and did their hair – I looked all around me while sitting for an hour and not one person was in their pajamas. Second – Fentanyl patches?! This from someone who doesn’t think EDS patients deal with pain.

I, again, got out the stack of papers I had brought and asked him to look through the notes from two of my favorite doctors – my geneticist from Johns Hopkins, Dr. Levy and a hero in the crusade for EDS treatment and research, Dr. Brad Tinkle. During the conference, Dr. Levy had mentioned the idea of treating EDS with a “cocktail” of things to control muskuloskeletal pain, muscle spasms, depression, sleep problems, etc. Dr. Brad talked about this as well, and mentioned great ideas for drug therapy, but also integrative therapies, the importance of staying active, and a few other very important facets of treatment. My ONLY desire for this appointment with Dr. Pain was to discuss some of these options, with the focus being mostly on the drug end of things since this was a Pain Clinic, and to hear his thoughts. I never got the chance.

Dr. Pain walked out of the room to end our session while I was mid-sentence. I managed to get him back in the room to answer a question about Prolotherapy, but that was it. I never even got to mention Dr. Brad or Dr. Levy’s great information. I left with every paper and pamphlet I came into the clinic with, plus a urine cup to drop off on the way out for drug testing, and a prescription for Fentanyl patches. Dr. Pain was in the room for no more than 5 or 10 minutes.

So, my 10 recommendations for visiting a pain clinic:

  1. Do not get up, get dressed or do your hair.
  2. Do not “look good.” (What does that even mean?)
  3. Do not have bipolar disorder.
  4. Forget having the doctor talk with you about YOUR concerns.
  5. Don’t smile. It makes them think you aren’t in pain. It doesn’t matter if you try to be a cheery person in public. This will only count against you.
  6. Do not plan to discuss cocktails. Even the non-alcoholic kind. 
  7. Do not think of mentioning Dr. Brad or Dr. Levy.
  8. Ask for Fentanyl patches when you “look good.” Apparently you will get a prescription.
  9. If you come in with notes and are prepared, the doctors will call you “smart.” Until today I didn’t know, but smart people don’t have pain.
  10. Bring tissues and good music in your car. You will need the tissues for the great cry you have when you leave the pain clinic. You will then need the music to cheer you up.

Ha! Of course, this isn’t news to any of us. I think most EDSers, me included, have struggled for years with doctors that don’t listen and those who ignore most everything we have to say. It certainly is frustrating when you see a light at the end of the tunnel, and find out that it was just your imagination. The thing we have to remember, we are always our own advocate. We have to take responsibility for our health care, and there isn’t one solid answer on how to do things. We can pick and choose as we learn, and hopefully there really is a light at the end of the pain tunnel…it just might be a little further down than we planned.

I am really troubled as to whether or not these Fentanyl patches are the next best move. One problem with me and pain meds are the horrible side effects. The chronic constipation caused by pain meds has landed me in the doctor’s more than once, and I have been on a mission to find something that actually works without causing me any more pain than I already deal with. These patches might cause less constipation, but no telling for sure. I am really looking forward to the trigger point injections, but I am leery of this path for the drugs. I have decided to start them just to see if they allow me any relief, because I really am at my boiling point by the end of the night, every single night. I have started on a low dose, a 25 mg/hr patch. Each patch lasts 3 days, and it is the equivalent of taking 5 or 6 5/500mg Vicodin a day, which is about what I am at right now. I am on a two week trial of this drug, and I will do more research between now and then, as well as see how my body responds to it. And, yes, the adhesive on the patch has already caused irritation and redness and is itching like crazy. I have to talk to my PCP about whether or not to continue the Flexeril, since Dr. Pain walked out of the room before I could ask. I am still working to find standard and alternative treatments, and am going to be searching for a new pain management team as well. I will go back to this clinic for the time being, as Reno is small and there aren’t a ton of options, but I am not one to stick with a doctor that I don’t like. For now, Dr. Pain it is. And, who knows, maybe he may help take the pain away.



  1. BubbleGirl

    I'm so sorry to hear about your terrible experience. Maybe next time you have an appointment you should take a football player, or a wrestler with you to intimidate the doctor into PAYING ATTENTION. Or a fog horn. Or a baseball bat with nails sticking out of it… Just beat him with it for a while, and maybe he'll understand that PAIN HURTS.Sending healing, happy thoughts your way.HUGS,BubbleGirl


  2. Yvette

    I'm really not surprised. This sounds like so many experiences I've had when attempting to get pain management. The weird comments, the almost insults, the sort of acknowledgments. Except in my case, instead of Fentanyl I got two shots of cortisone in the hips and a suggestion of cognitive behavioral therapy so I could stop letting pain \”control [my] life.\” She asked what my degree was in, then told me it wasn't \”very practical.\”I think it's just a clear sign that you're dealing with the wrong doctor. Someone who doesn't know what they're doing, but isn't going to admit it.


  3. Anonymous

    Hi, I have joint hypermobility (EDS III?), fibromyalgia/CFS(EDS III?)and POTS too. You surely went to the same \”Dr. Pain\” that I did! LOL Mine actually told me to \”go spend some time in the sunshine!\” He took it upon himself to change my diagnosis from fibromyalgia/CFS to myofascial pain syndrome (this despite being diagnosed with the former for six years by a rheumatologist). He sat far across the room, barely looked at me, and during the exam I guess he got frustrated that I wasn't turning my head fast enough for him, he grabbed it and turned it himself!! In the car on the way out of his office as fast as I could, my tears turned to anger, and I ended up writing him a long letter explaining how I felt that he gave me no respect as a patient. I take OxyContin for pain management, but even THAT has never helped more than about 40%. I'm having trouble finding it now, due to the nationwide shortage and have been going to many pharmacies asking if they have it. I feel like they are all judging me when they see the written prescription. As if we don't already have enough to deal with, some doctors are just downright rude. Also, early on in my illness I was referred to a neuro. who looked me in the eye and told me that I was making this all up, just b/c I had worked in the medical field before becoming ill. She stated that I read about it and \”decided\” I wanted to have it too!!! This kind of treatment is inexcusable!


  4. c

    I too have EDS- and fibromyalgia, multiple injuries that never healed well. Lots of pain in all- the pain is immense. Often pain management places think if you are young you should not have help. You should be grateful for any help. They have the power to help you and you are desperate so they often use it and enjoy the power. I have been in pain management for awhile. I have a doctor that respects me but my pain is under treated. Persist, you need a doctor that applauds your willingness to be informed and participate in your own wellness. Many pain doctors are just like this, but some are not. Be prepared for drug tests to be sure you are taking your meds and that you do not do any illegal drugs, like pot. Even though it helps many with EDS, it's grounds to have any pain med treatment terminated. But don't give up, and ask others for recommendations.


  5. Amy

    I have HEDS too along with a bunch of other stuff as well. I'm stuck though with a FM dx from years and years before my HEDS dx. I went to a pain doc about trying to figure something out, nothing too strong, nothing that would make me high or zombie like, just enough to function. I left with a script for pool therapy for the FM and a referal to a psyc. Thanks doc.


  6. Anonymous

    I just don't understand it. Why we are treated so cruelly. I used to be a compassionate person. All I want to do is cause ten times the pain that I experience on the doc that is ignoring me or us and tell him/her that I will stop inflicting the pain the moment he/she repents of their cruelty/heartlessness/and actually does something to stop my pain. If they suffered like we did, they would never treat us like this (I think, but I don't know). They probably know how to get out of pain, unlike us. I wonder if these patches and pills just cause more pain maybe due to liver damage that is NEVER diagnosed, but just enough pain to send us over the edge.


  7. Anonymous

    My internal ms won't even give me a test for EDS even though almost every female cousin has it. I have severe joint pain and before I was placed on a pain management regimine my quality of life was non-existent. It is so important to manage your pain or life may not seem worth living. These suspicious doctors are killing people every day by denying them a quality of life. Sure there runs a risk of dependency however, it should be the doctor who realizes that the benefits most certainly outweigh the risks. The most chronic thing in these instances is doctors misdiagnosing real, physically and emotionally debilitating pain as depression. It's barbaric and it contradicts the doctors hypocritical oath to provide each patient with the best available medicine to suit his/her condition as well as keeping every patient out of harms way.


  8. Barb Drotar

    You all need to try Human Growth Hormone. Read my story first. I have also been diagnosed with EDS. This all started just about a year ago, and the onset of my arthritic joint pain came on with a vengeance. I went from being very active to extreme pain. I had all the tests and had been told over the years possibility of EDS, I have very long arm span. I didn't think much of it because I wasn't affected with it until the age of 51. Definitively diagnosed by a geneticist but I also went through all different testing from various doctors. I have a friend who is a doctor and he was the one who recommended HGH, he said it works really well for about 10 different things and joint and arthritis pain it works well on. I have been doing this for about 2-3 months and have to say I am 50% better which is huge. You just have to find someone who will put you on it. I do nightly injections. But unfortunately I pay out of pocket for it and it is really expensive. But it will put it into remission and it starts growing all new cells throughout your body and repairs the joints. Don't know why someone hasn't stumbled on this before. I am so thankful my friend told me about this. Good luck to you all.


  9. Anonymous

    I was diagnosed with EDS and than went to a hospital in pain years later. I imprisoned under the mental health act and re-diagnosed with PTSD and eventually sent back to work. It has been five years now and I am thoroughly crippled. My spine is on fire. The Psychiatrisr has no doubt lived a good life while condemning me to a life of suffering. His name is Dr. David Morrison in Owen Sound Ontario.


  10. angel

    I've been struggling with managing my pain for more years than I can count. I feel for your struggle, and I hope that the fentanyl patches work for you!Those patches have been a lifesaver for me. They work better than any other narcotic I've used (and with much less constipation, since you seem to have that issue too).Your doctor still sounds pretty useless, but if the fentanyl works and can help you get your pain cycle under control you'll have energy to explore a ton of other options! 🙂


  11. L. Monjaras

    I know you posted this a while ago but do you recall the name of this \”DR.Pain\”? I only ask because I am also in reno and would love to avoid him… I understand it's been a while and with all the doctors one passes through it can easily be forgotten.


  12. Anonymous

    Hi, I just quickly read through your blog and want to tell you I have EDS and POTS and well…all kinds of fun things….I understand your frustration completely. I just got back from my Lidocaine Injetions – virtually the only thing that helps with the unrelenting Pain of EDS and I am a Chiropractor! Anyway, I must run but wanted to share that I have found the injections a life saver for myself. Hang in there – there are people who understand!


  13. Anonymous

    I've had the same kinds of appointments that leave me in tears and feeling hopeless. I found this through a google search but am looking forward to looking at your most recent posts to see if you have found any answers for your pain. I haven't yet.


  14. jackie Tappe

    I too have EDS and POTS and the pain and the uncertainty that comes along with these conditions. I take hydrocodone compounded without acetaminophen and muddle through (same dosage for last 5 years). I have seen many doctors and have come to the realization that most are useless to me. In fact, most doctors practice in a \”drive by\” fashion and most patients pay with their health being further jeopardized. If we can find 1 doctor who can help us, we are lucky! I have made a conscious choice to not seek further treatment because it is just too frustrating and costly. I have accepted that I will always suffer and be alone with my medical condition because if my family and friends don't understand, how can I expect a stranger to? We all have something to deal with but unless it is something mainstream, we will remain misunderstood and mistreated. I have met doctors who have scared me to death with their proposals of surgery and don't even want to remember how many prescriptions I have put through the shredder after researching the drugs prescribed to me. Basically, if you don't want to be cut on or don't want pills then stay away from doctors. In the case of medical management for EDS and POTS, less is definetly more!


  15. Maria

    To Barb Drotar I too think that HGH is efficacious for EDS. We are trying to get our 14 y/o granddaughter on them. We are in the DC area. Could you supply us with information? Thank you.


  16. kachipoirier

    Thank you. I have had this thought pass through my mind that I was legato your post from a Google search for \” hgh and eds\”. I will talk to my doctors about it as we learn about eds together or find a dr in my area that is familiar.I am testing taking creatine daily in hopes of helping the tissues improve. I've gone from 210 and am now 156 pounds in the last year. 37 yo male. Awaiting diagnosis, family history of eds, pots, schleredema


  17. kachipoirier

    Thank you. I have had this thought pass through my mind that I was legato your post from a Google search for \” hgh and eds\”. I will talk to my doctors about it as we learn about eds together or find a dr in my area that is familiar.I am testing taking creatine daily in hopes of helping the tissues improve. I've gone from 210 and am now 156 pounds in the last year. 37 yo male. Awaiting diagnosis, family history of eds, pots, schleredema


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